Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Indifference and Major Nidal Malik Hasan: Tolerance breeds intolerance Part II

"This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith"
--Janet Nepolitano

"And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."
--General George W. Casey

"Allah-u Akbar!!!!"
--Major Nidal Malik Hasan

"What we've got here is...failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men."
--The Captain, Cool Hand Luke

Is there any human action that is more intolerant than murder? Is there any freedom more basic than the right to be alive?

Taking another person's life is the ultimate communication breakdown, the ultimate failure to understand the other side of the debate. It is the final act of a desperate man or woman, either as the ultimate expression of extremism or as a defense against it.

In that regard there could be no one less tolerant or more extreme than Major Nidal Malik Hasan. A soldier that turned his gun on his fellow brothers and sisters in arms. A doctor that destroyed life instead of saving it. A psychiatrist who created mental anguish for his former patients. An American who considered himself a Palestinian first and professed his loyalty to sharia law ahead of Constitutional law. A Muslim extremist who took advantage of the freedom he swore to protect in order to spread his extremism and rob others of their freedom to live. And it was all made possible not by lax gun laws or "disgruntled war veterans" or any of the silly excuses the appeasers (yes Janet Nepolitano I'm talking to you) of the world use to distract us from the following simple fact:

Nidal Malik Hasan is an Islamic extremist who tried (and apparently managed for years) to control his murderous impulses until he finally snapped and killed a bunch of people in the name of his religion.

Ok? Can we say that without being crucified as ignorant or racist? He dressed in Islamic robes on the morning of his attack (planned as a suicide mission), consulted with an imam tied to al Qaeda and yelled the same thing other Islamic suicide attackers (including the 9/11 hijackers) yell as they blow up a bus or school or plane.

All of the pundits on TV over the past couple of weeks have been grinding and grinding and grinding Hasan's background to death. He was a loner. He didn't have a woman (because he couldn't find one Islamic-ly pious enough). He had Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He had PRE Traumatic Stress Disorder. Grinding and grinding and grinding. He was depressed. He was sad. He was misunderstood. He was upset about his imminent deployment to Afghanistan or Iraq. And grinding and grinding and ENOUGH ALREADY. Those are all excuses. Here are some more facts:

Hasan's business card had the acronym "SoA" on it.

SoA, if you are unaware, stands for "Soldier of Allah". Hasan gave speeches on American foreign policy and his demand that Muslims be given the right to become conscientious objectors and opt out of military action in Muslim countries. Even more astonishing is new information emerging now that the FBI had the following information LAST WINTER:

[Hasan] sent a message to a radical imam in Yemen saying that he was looking forward to the discussions they would have over alcohol-free wine in the afterlife.

This is the same imam by the way that was visited by 3 of the 9/11 hijackers as well as several other terrorists and attempted terrorists. Some of these attempted massacre-ists that admired al-Alawki included a group of home-grown Canadian al-Qaeda as well as the group of lunatics that tried to attack the army base in Fort Dix, NJ. Please note the common thread between these groups and Hasan - all wannabe disciples of the same guy, all radical Muslim, all citizens or permanent residents of the countries they planned to attack.

The article continues:

[Other emails] included questions about when the imam considered jihad, or holy war, to be appropriate, and whether it justified the killing of innocents.

Oh my...but we're not done yet folks - hold on to your hijabs with this one:

One result is intense interest in the American-born Mr al-Awlaki, who has never been arrested in the US but served time in jail in Yemen in 2006 and is seen by some intelligence agencies as an al-Qaeda recruiter.

Three weeks before Major Hasan bought the guns he used at Fort Hood, Mr al-Awlaki posted on his website an endorsement of attacks by Muslims on “government armies in the Muslim world”. He stated: “Blessed are those who fight against them and blessed are those [martyrs] who are killed by them.” Since the Fort Hood rampage, Mr al-Awlaki has called Major Hasan a hero.

All right. So...this guy was becoming friendly with a possible al-Qaeda recruiter, the same guy that inspired at least TWENTY THREE HOME GROWN TERRORISTS to attempt to murder hundreds if not thousands of their own countrymen...and Casey and Nepolitano's top concern is DIVERSITY. Our leadership shouldn't be making excuses for the rest of the law-abiding Muslim Americans, they can do just fine in speaking up for themselves in this free country of theirs. Why do they need Nepolitano apologizing for them anyway? Does the Homeland Security Chief need to get onto a podium every time a serial killer chops up some drug addicts in Cleveland and remind us that these creeps do not "represent" the Christian faith? Ridiculous!

And excuse me, with all due respect to General Casey, this incident was NOT a tragedy. Tragedies are things like hurricanes or tornadoes. Earthquakes are tragedies. A cancer diagnosis is a tragedy. Tragedies are terrible events beyond our control. This event was absolutely under someone's control. Hasan's rampage wasn't a tragedy - it was a MASSACRE. It was a TRAVESTY. It was a bloodbath. And MOST IMPORTANTLY it could have been prevented if just one of two things happened:

1. If the FBI hadn't dropped the ball by not pursuing the very real possibility that this guy wasn't just "conducting research" and was behaving increasingly erratically.


2. If someone that knew him had spoken up.

You've already read about Nidal Hasan's rantings on Muslims in the military. You already know by now that several doctors and others were very disturbed by his presentation but chose to treat him with "kid gloves" despite the fact that he was a poor psychiatrist with terrible evaluations. You already know by now that Hasan has been reported as saying: "I'm a Muslim first and I hold the Shariah, the Islamic Law, before the United States Constitution." You know all this because it was all in the same article I just linked to from Fox News that is now almost TWO WEEKS OLD. Why then, is he still not being referred to as a terrorist? Because he wasn't a card-carrying member of the jihad? Oh wait nevermind, he was.

Believe it or not, General Casey, Secretary Nepolitano and the rest of the diversity brigade are more interested in not offending Muslims than they are in performing their most basic duty...that being to defend the country from all threats, be they foreign or domestic. Instead of being concerned with how this happened, how it could have been prevented and how to prevent it from happening again they are sacrificing our safety on the altar of Political Correctness.

Their indifference, their apathy towards reality allows people like Hasan to succeed in their acts of passion, their acts of evil. Their tolerance allows the intolerant to succeed.

Because you see, it doesn't end with Hasan. Praise be to Allah, our good friends over have fixed their website and we can now present their original video on the Ft. Hood shooting:

In the video, the speaker (an American) explicitly states his support for the massacre as a legitimate attack on military targets during a declared war, using Holy Qur'anic verses to back his points. He is in effect supporting the enemy of his country during a time of war.

trea⋅son  [tree-zuhn]
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

se⋅di⋅tion  [si-dish-uhn]
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.
2. any action, esp. in speech or writing, promoting such discontent or rebellion.
3. Archaic. rebellious disorder.

It's not just about Nidal Malik Hasan. There are movements right now in the United States, that are literally committing acts of treason/sedition like this one on American soil, using American companies and proudly displaying their work to the rest of the world. Would these people be allowed to speak like this about the countries they support IN the countries they support? Why are we tolerating this? Why do we allow these people to operate at will and poison uninformed minds on the internet?

They are using our own rules against us. And the media is ignoring them. Our politicians are ignoring them. How can we afford to ignore them? How can we afford to continue being indifferent to this evil while it plots against us and our families? Why do we refrain from calling it what it is? Why are we afraid to be honest with ourselves?

I'll tell you why. You see while Nidal Malik Hasan acted to kill those soldiers at Ft. Hood he did not act alone. Political correctness aided him. Indifference abetted him. Tolerance of evil gave him aid and comfort. And we are all accomplices.

In the end...WE as a society killed them. Our collective conscience silently screams in desperate horror for us to blank out this fact but we cannot do it anymore. Our future as a liberal democracy depends on it. Hasan needs to be punished for his act of war but it's time we as a society started taking responsibility for our own actions, or lack thereof.

Because if we don't, the next massacre will be on our conscience too.


Anonymous said...

You have a consistantl way of putting into words what I am thinking. At some point we must call a spade a spade.

Leonardo de la Paor said...


I have had my arguments with Jews in the past & still do in the present, but I MUST sympathize with the Jewish people in Israel for having to deal with Islamic LIARS. Bilal Abdul-Kareem of INFO@AIMFILMS.NET articulated the TWISTED MIND-SET of Muslims.

Having watched his performance the day after reading about his "prophet" Muhammad, I can state categorically, that he is a TRUE SON of that throat-cutting Arab, whose very word was a LIE.

Islam is a CANCER. It must be eradicated from all Democratic countries. Muslims MUST be returned to Muslim countries. We CANNOT trust Muslims who practice ISLAM, for it is THE RELIGION OF HATE.

RonMossad said...

Thank you Mr./Mrs. Anonymous...I hope I'm also reading your mind when I say I wish you wouldn't be anonymous. lol

RonMossad said...

Leonardo, at the risk of coming off as ignorant or prejudiced - I can't help but notice in your picture you appear to be a "typical" hasidic Jew. When you say you've had your "arguments with Jews in the past" I can't help but ask you just what you are yourself? Or did you mean you've debated OTHER Jews?

Nonetheless, thank you for the support. The enemy we fight is truly duplicitous, is very adept at using our words against us, as well as turning us against one another and plays by a completely different set of rules than we do.

Anonymous said...

I work at Ft Hood. Many are angry that the army sent this Satan from Walter Reed to slither among us. Hopefully he'll be hanged and sent to hell where he belongs.

RonMossad said...

Are you the same anonymous poster as the first one? If so I sincerely apologize for making that joke, I assumed you were one of my regular readers.

I think we both know however that he's not going to hang and whatever end he gets will be much better than the end he brought to the heroes that he killed. Instead to me at least the main point is exactly what you said - how was this person allowed to slither amongst you...especially with all the obvious warning signs and how do we stop something like this from ever happening again?

This jerk should have been discharged years before this happened but was not because we failed as a society to take action.

Did you lose any friends/relatives in the attack? If so, I offer you my condolences. Actually even if you didn't, I'm sure this was a traumatizing, awful experience for you and wish you the best.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, but I'm a different anon. Rules preculed me from giving details in an active case. That being said, no I didn't know those killed, but I have spoken to some of the wounded, and passed on the good wishes of those around the world.

We're all trying to get through this as a family, but it was traumatizing. The betrayal is the worst. We could take the enemy getting in a lucky punch, but this really breaks trust. My nephew didn't want me to take this job, as an "Iragi will sneak onto base and shoot you." I told him that with 50,000 soldiers, this was the safest place in the world. Boy was I wrong!

The Memorial Service helped a lot, but my wife says I've changed. Angry and sullen now. I just keep reading the Bible and praying not for God to be on my side, but that I am on God's side. It helps to let " the joy of the Lord be my strength."

Cat said...

As much as I didn't want to I find I agree with you on this one.

Leonardo de la Paor said...

From the Life of Mahomet by William Muir:

The student of the history will trace for himself how the pure and lofty aspirations of Mahomet were first tinged, and then gradually debased by a half unconscious self-deception; and how in this process truth merged into falsehood, sincerity into guile, - these opposite principles often co-existing even as active agencies in his conduct. The reader will observe that simultaneously with the anxious desire to extinguish idolatry, and to promote religion and virtue in the world, there was nurtured by the Prophet in his own heart, a licentious self-indulgence; till in the end, assuming to be the favourite of Heaven, he justified himself by "revelations" from God in the most flagrant breaches of morality. He will remark that while Mahomet cherished a kind and tender disposition, "weeping with them that wept," and binding to his person the hearts of his followers by the ready and self-denying offices of love and friendship, he could yet take pleasure in cruel and perfidious assassination, could gloat over the massacre of an entire tribe, and savagely consign the innocent babe to the fires of hell. Inconsistencies such as these continually present themselves from the period of Mahomet's arrival at Medina; and it is by the study of these inconsistencies that his character must be rightly comprehended.

This is the problem all non-Muslims will have with the followers of Muhammad.

RonMossad said...

Anonymous Solider - I definitely hear you on the betrayal aspect of it. It's hard to trust someone going into battle or hiding out with him in a foxhole when you're worried he might stab you in the back. You try to be as non-racist/discriminatory as possible but as a soldier I'm sure in the back of your mind there's that lingering "geez, that Hasan guy acted pretty normal too..." doubt. It's all nice and cute to be understanding and tolerant when all we're being asked to do is get in a taxicab with a member of this religion, but it's another story when your life literally depends on each other in the military.

All I can say about being angry and sullen is that hopefully in time it will get easier - this is still very fresh in your mind and like any traumatic experience...the closer you are to the event the more painful it is. Obviously this isn't exactly the same thing as your girlfriend dumping you via email or something - hurtful to be sure but different stratosphere of pain.

I see you are a religious is a passage from Psalms that lately I've been saying every night before I go to sleep. I'm sure you've seen/heard it before:

א מִזְמוֹר לְדָוִד: יְהוָה רֹעִי, לֹא אֶחְסָר.
ב בִּנְאוֹת דֶּשֶׁא, יַרְבִּיצֵנִי; עַל-מֵי מְנֻחוֹת יְנַהֲלֵנִי.
ג נַפְשִׁי יְשׁוֹבֵב; יַנְחֵנִי בְמַעְגְּלֵי-צֶדֶק, לְמַעַן שְׁמוֹ.
ד גַּם כִּי-אֵלֵךְ בְּגֵיא צַלְמָוֶת, לֹא-אִירָא רָע-- כִּי-אַתָּה עִמָּדִי;
שִׁבְטְךָ וּמִשְׁעַנְתֶּךָ, הֵמָּה יְנַחֲמֻנִי.
ה תַּעֲרֹךְ לְפָנַי, שֻׁלְחָן-- נֶגֶד צֹרְרָי;
דִּשַּׁנְתָּ בַשֶּׁמֶן רֹאשִׁי, כּוֹסִי רְוָיָה.
ו אַךְ, טוֹב וָחֶסֶד יִרְדְּפוּנִי-- כָּל-יְמֵי חַיָּי;
וְשַׁבְתִּי בְּבֵית-יְהוָה, לְאֹרֶךְ יָמִים.

1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures; He leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul; He guideth me in straight paths for His name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me;
Thy rod and Thy staff, they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou hast anointed my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

May only goodness and mercy follow you for the rest of your days.

RonMossad said...

Cat - that's usually how it works isn't it?

RonMossad said...

Leonardo, I don't think I'm prepared to lump all followers of Muhammad into one extremist categories no matter how racist Janet Nepolitano might think I am.

I will say however, that one of most eye-opening/depressing experiences of my life was a class I took at Rutgers on the history of Islamic Civilization which almost half of was devoted to Muhammad's life story and a study of the Qur'an. Very violent man he was...and worse he encouraged his followers to emulate his actions.

Leonardo de la Paor said...


The problem with Islam is Muhammad & his schizophrenic mindset. In Mecca he pretended to be a Reformer & the verses of the Quran quoted there have a reforming trend. But when he got to Medina he became a Dictator & you can read his dictatorial verses in the Quran. Non-Muslims have to understand that ALL Muslims have that spirit. When they are in your country they pretend that Islam is a Religion of Peace & will quote the verses from the Mecca era, but when they are in charge the Medina spirit comes to the fore. That is why people like you make such statements. Its time YOU studied the Quran & see for yourself the schizophrenic mindset of Muhammad. Muslims follow Muhammad! They are like locusts, most times they are happy to stay on their own, but when they swarm, they are merciless.

Anonymous said...

Ron, thanks for the 23rd Psalm! I read it often and the King James version is my favorite b/c of the beautiful English. Also, to see it in Hebrew is very interesting.
The Jews are certainly our elder brothers in the faith.
Also Psalm 91 is a fav.

RonMossad said...

Leonardo my friend, I'm not sure if you read my response. I have read the Qur'an and I know what you're talking about...all the verses about not trusting Jews and Christians amongst a lot of other things. I'm just saying that I don't think EVERY Muslim is an extremist that's all.

RonMossad said...

א יֹשֵׁב, בְּסֵתֶר עֶלְיוֹן; בְּצֵל שַׁדַּי, יִתְלוֹנָן
ב אֹמַר--לַיהוָה, מַחְסִי וּמְצוּדָתִי; אֱלֹהַי, אֶבְטַח-בּוֹ
ג כִּי הוּא יַצִּילְךָ, מִפַּח יָקוּשׁ; מִדֶּבֶר הַוּוֹת.
ד בְּאֶבְרָתוֹ, יָסֶךְ לָךְ--וְתַחַת-כְּנָפָיו תֶּחְסֶה; צִנָּה וְסֹחֵרָה אֲמִתּוֹ.
ה לֹא-תִירָא, מִפַּחַד לָיְלָה; מֵחֵץ, יָעוּף יוֹמָם.
ו מִדֶּבֶר, בָּאֹפֶל יַהֲלֹךְ; מִקֶּטֶב, יָשׁוּד צָהֳרָיִם.
ז יִפֹּל מִצִּדְּךָ, אֶלֶף--וּרְבָבָה מִימִינֶךָ: אֵלֶיךָ, לֹא יִגָּשׁ.
ח רַק, בְּעֵינֶיךָ תַבִּיט; וְשִׁלֻּמַת רְשָׁעִים תִּרְאֶה.
ט כִּי-אַתָּה יְהוָה מַחְסִי; עֶלְיוֹן, שַׂמְתָּ מְעוֹנֶךָ.
י לֹא-תְאֻנֶּה אֵלֶיךָ רָעָה; וְנֶגַע, לֹא-יִקְרַב בְּאָהֳלֶךָ.
יא כִּי מַלְאָכָיו, יְצַוֶּה-לָּךְ; לִשְׁמָרְךָ, בְּכָל-דְּרָכֶיךָ.
יב עַל-כַּפַּיִם יִשָּׂאוּנְךָ: פֶּן-תִּגֹּף בָּאֶבֶן רַגְלֶךָ.
יג עַל-שַׁחַל וָפֶתֶן, תִּדְרֹךְ; תִּרְמֹס כְּפִיר וְתַנִּין.
יד כִּי בִי חָשַׁק, וַאֲפַלְּטֵהוּ; אֲשַׂגְּבֵהוּ, כִּי-יָדַע שְׁמִי.
טו יִקְרָאֵנִי, וְאֶעֱנֵהוּ--עִמּוֹ-אָנֹכִי בְצָרָה; אֲחַלְּצֵהוּ, וַאֲכַבְּדֵהוּ.
טז אֹרֶךְ יָמִים, אַשְׂבִּיעֵהוּ; וְאַרְאֵהוּ, בִּישׁוּעָתִי.

1 O thou that dwellest in the covert of the Most High, and abidest in the shadow of the Almighty;
2 I will say of the LORD, who is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust,
3 That He will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He will cover thee with His pinions, and under His wings shalt thou take refuge; His truth is a shield and a buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid of the terror by night, nor of the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Of the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor of the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, and see the recompense of the wicked.
9 For thou hast made the LORD who is my refuge, even the Most High, thy habitation.
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any
plague come nigh thy tent.
11 For He will give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee upon their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and asp; the young lion and the serpent shalt thou trample under feet.
14 'Because he hath set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he hath known My name.
15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him, and bring him to honour.
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and make him to behold My salvation.'

There it is my friend.

Leonardo de la Paor said...

The spirit & action of Islam:

Mentally disturbed Christian girl, 12, raped by group of Muslims "You have in (Muhammad) the
Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Mentally disturbed Christian girl, 12, raped by group of Muslims

The three are accused of attacking a twelve-year-old girl suffering from mental disturbances. Her father did not immediately report the crime because of threats; thanks to the support of Christian activists, he is now asking for justice. The girl will be cared for at a centre of religious sisters specialised in psychological illnesses.

Lahore (AsiaNews) - Last May 25, a group of three Muslims allegedly raped a girl with psychological problems in Lahore. At first the family, who are Christian, did not want to file charges because of the threats and pressure against them; later, thanks in part to support received from two Christian lawyers, they presented themselves to the authorities, and the three suspects were arrested.

Khalil Tahir, a Christian lawyer and president of the Adal Trust - an NGO that offers free legal assistance to the poor - will represent Elishba, 12 years old and affected by mental disturbances, during the trial: "The little girl", the lawyer tells AsiaNews, "comes from a very poor Christian family: they live in a rented home, and the father is a manual labourer. Last May 25, Niamat Masih, returning home from work, discovered that his daughter was not at home. He immediately went out looking for her, but could not find her. Passing by a house not far from his own, broken down and with no doors, he heard some noises coming from inside". At that very moment, a young Muslim - Muhammad Badshaw, one of the members of the "pack" - appeared in the doorway, and when he saw Elishba's father, he ran away. "After entering the house", the lawyer continues, "Masih saw two other young men run away, and then found his daughter lying on the floor, unconscious and with her clothing torn. After returning home, at first he thought of filing charges, but he failed to do so because of the threats he received and because of the high costs of a trial".

The support he received from Khalil and from Kamran Michael, the local government official for human rights and minorities, convinced the father to denounce the crime and have the three arrested; the family was also assigned a police escort to protect them. Khalil Tahir stresses that "medical examinations revealed that the girl had been gang raped", that still today "she has not completely recovered", but says that he is "optimistic" that "the family may receive justice in court". After her initial treatment, Elishba will be sent to a care centre in Lahore, run by religious sisters and specialised in the treatment of patients with mental problems.

Kamran Michael emphasises the difficult conditions of the "Christian minority", which is subjected to violence of this kind "because of the extreme poverty in which it lives. We will make sure that our cry of alarm is heard, so that these brutal attacks may not be repeated, during the next meeting of the Punjab Assembly".

Qur'an 33:51 "You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."


"Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams
[a.k.a. sexual fantasies]. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth
He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you
I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'"

Tabari IX:128

"When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation."

Tabari IX:131

The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."


Khurram said...

As an ex-Muslim Pakistani I am horrified at the lack of ownership the US Army has taken on this issue. Clearly a Muslim fanatic was in the payroll of the US Army..and the training that the US Army gave this fanatic is tantamount to training a terrorist.

The solution is to ban religion in the Armed Forces.

Leonardo de la Paor said...

Yo Khurram,

The PROBLEM is ISLAM. Anyone in that CULT, not only should not be allowed in the Army, they should NOT be allowed in the country.


Although many modern Muslims, groomed with the Western secular education, readily brag about how Islam recognizes Christianity (Judaism, too) as a great religion, yet these dishonest hypocrites hide a number of verses in the Koran that are demeaning, hateful and even violence-inciting towards Christians and Jews. Here they are:

1. Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities.. 4:51

2. "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

3. Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14

4. Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53

5. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

6. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

7. Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57

8. Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

9. Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

10. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

11. Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

12. Evil is the handiwork of the Jewish rabbis and Christian priests. 5:63

13. Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. 4:47

14. Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

Although there is a kind of recognition of Christianity (Judaism, too), being a religion of the same God, in Islam - the ultimate message in Islam is that 'Christianity is old and obsolete'. Islam is the finalized version of the religion of the same God, which all people of the world, including the Christian and Jews, must follow.

The old and obsolete Christianity is now a symbol of evil, Christians are evil people, Allah has cursed them and hellfire will be their eternal abode hereafter. However, Christians do not have a choice for them to make the hellfire their eternal abode and live in peace in this world. They must follow the finalized religion of Allah or else Allah will, without failure, turn them into apes:

[Quran 4:47] O ye unto whom (Christian & Jews) the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy your countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.

And again, Allah is just not happy with the punishment of transforming the Christians into apes. He now incite his followers (Muslims) to fight the Christians until they are subdued to a humiliating status (Dhimmi) and pay the poll-tax (Jizya) as punishment for not accepting the command of Allah:

[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christian & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Khurram said...


Islam and religion should be kept away from formal training and funding of the state.

Islam is the source of hate for most Muslims. But sadly, I find Judaism and Christianity just as bad - if not worse. The edicts of the Rabbis are even more hateful towards the gentiles and Christianity has much worse history of oppression.

As an atheist I find Jews and Christians just as suspect as any Major Nidal. And history has proven that this.


Leonardo de la Paor said...

Yo Khurram,

You know nothing about Jesus Christ & his teachings, so don't attempt to compare Him to that Arab thug, Muhammad who was a LIAR & MURDERER.

You mistake Christendom - State religions with Christianity. Now before you leave this earth, read Matthew chapters 5,6 & 7 & see what Jesus taught!

Khurram said...

I fail to see how Jesus or Moses or Muhammad have come into the equation. What has religion go to do with those old farts?

Leonardo de la Paor said...

Yo All,

We got ourselves an atheist on the blog. As you are aware an atheist traces his pedigree back to the Apes.
Now the best advice I can give this "ape" (Khurramis) is to climb back up the tree were you came from, & let us Human Beings carry on with our discussion. Or better still, find some other "apes" & have a good natter.

Khurram said...


But I gather no alarms bells are ringing because of my perceived apeness.
But what is alarming is that we have a bigot in this room drunk with religious hatred and intolerance.

But at least the founding fathers were on my side:

"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

Leonardo de la Paor said...

Yo! descended of an Ape,

It was the American Indians who were the Founding Fathers, not Jefferson & CO! Jefferson was ignorant of Islam, but soon learnt about the Religion of Peace & its Pirates.

From AMERICAN SPHINX The Character of Thomas Jefferson by Joseph J. Ellis

"Several muslim countries along the North African coast had established the tradition of plundering the ships of European and American merchants in the western Mediterranean and eastern Atlantic, capturing the crews and then demanding ransom from the respective governments for their release. In a joint message to their superiors in Congress, Adams and Jefferson described the audacity of these terrorist attacks, pirates leaping onto defenseless ships with daggers clenched in their teeth. They had asked the ambassador from Tripoli, Adams and Jefferson explained, on what grounds these outrageous acts of unbridled savagery could be justified: "The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of the prophet, that it was written in their koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their [islams] authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners...."

Leonardo de la Paor said...

Yo All,


Khurram said...

No. Actually Islam is not a real religion. It is just plagiarized Judaism and they just copied it out of the bible.

So the Semites have an evil relgion whether it be Israelites killing other tribes of people as commanded by their hebrew god or it be Xtians not suffering a witch to live or it be biblical muslims following a perverted form of biblical plagiarism.

"Those who believe in absurdities will commit atrocities.." Voltaire


Leonardo de la Paor said...







Khurram said...

I was right.

People like you who believe in religion are all the same. Rude, obnoxious and filled with hatred for one another.

Your gods tell you to kil. Muslims, Christians and Jews are all bigots so long as they have faith in the bigotry that is their religion.

Leonardo de la Paor said...

No you were not right!
You are a TROLL!
You do not want to know the TRUTH!

Your mind is PERVERTED from the years you spent in that DEMONIC CULT OF SATAN-ISLAM.



Khurram said...

You sound like Usama bin Laden!
Funny how all religious bigots sound alike

Leonardo de la Paor said...


The recent Swiss vote to ban the construction of minarets in that European nation has become the latest controversy to generate Muslim protests worldwide. However, Islamic governments are in no position to complain about Western intolerance and “Islamophobia.” Most Muslim nations are repressive or offer only limited political freedom. More often than not, Islamic states violate basic human rights; and almost all persecute Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities.

Although progress was made in some areas, “The status of respect for religious freedom by the government declined somewhat,” reports State, “based on the failure to investigate and prosecute perpetrators of increased incidents of sectarian violence,” mostly against Coptic Christians. Moreover, the authorities “again failed to redress laws and governmental practices that discriminate against Christians, effectively allowing their discriminatory effects and their modeling effect on society to become further entrenched.” Christian converts from Islam were harassed and abused.

One of the uglier Islamic persecutors is Iran. The constitution nominally affirms the rights of “protected” religions — Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians. However, in practice no non-Shi’a believer is safe. Explains the report: “Respect for religious freedom in the country continued to deteriorate. Government rhetoric and actions created a threatening atmosphere for nearly all non-Shi’a religious groups, most notably for Baha’is, as well as Sufi Muslims, evangelical Christians, and members of the Jewish community. Reports of government imprisonment, harassment, intimidation, and discrimination based on religious beliefs continued.” The state also promoted discrimination in the areas of education, employment, and housing. Iran is a Country of Particular Concern.

Washington’s ally in the war on terror is one of the least hospitable states for religious minorities. State notes “some positive steps to improve the treatment of religious minorities,” but Christians, Hindus, and Jews remain second-class citizens, if that. Explains the report: “Law enforcement personnel abused religious minorities in custody. Security forces and other government agencies did not adequately prevent or address societal abuses against minorities. Discriminatory legislation and the government’s failure to take action against societal forces hostile to those who practice a different religious belief fostered religious intolerance, acts of violence, and intimidation against religious minorities.” Christians even risk execution if convicted of “blasphemy.”

Another close U.S. ally, Saudi Arabia is among the globe’s worst persecutors. At least Saudi Arabia makes no pretense. Explains the report, “Freedom of religion is neither recognized nor protected under the law and is severely restricted in practice.” Although the private practice of non-Sunni Islam is usually left alone, “This right was not always respected in practice and is not defined in law.” Moreover, explains State, “the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (CPVPV) continued to conduct raids on private non-Muslim religious gatherings.” The repressive kingdom has been designated a Country of Particular Concern.

Although the government generally respects freedom of religious practice, it restricts Islamic expression in education and official circumstances. Moreover, notes State, “Minority religious groups also faced difficulties in worshipping, registering with the Government, and training their followers,” as well as proselytizing. Further, “Threats against non-Muslims created an atmosphere of pressure and diminished freedom for some non-Muslim communities. Many Christians, Baha’is, and heterodox Muslims faced societal suspicion and mistrust, and some elements of society continued to express anti-Semitic sentiments.”

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AlgerianRebel said...

Please do not compare any religion with islam. While I am not sure about Judaism, I can tell you that Christianism had never called for violence and hate as Islam did.

AlgerianRebel said...


You are right, while not all moslims are extremists, but the majority have a seed of extremism that may get developped under the appropriate circumstances.
Remember that thousands of muslims paraded happily in the streets hailing for the death of hundreds of innocents souls on 11 september 2001, I can never forget those scenes, it is at that period that I started to doubt about this religion, which I left three years afterwards...

RonMossad said...

Good to hear from you again AlgerianRebel. The last nation Judaism called for actual violence against was Amalek...a nation that hasn't existed for about 3,000 years now. Not really an issue...

Leonardo de la Paor said...

Muslims Say It Better!
Abdel Rahman al-Rasheed
General Manager of the Al-Arabiya News Channel.

“It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, & exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims.

The hostage-takers of children in Beslan, North Ossetia, were Muslims. The kidnappers & subsequent murderers of the Napalese workers in Iraq were also Muslims. Those involved in rape & murder in Darfur, Sudan, are Muslims, with other Muslims chosen to be their victims.

Those responsible for the attacks on residential towers in Riyadh & Khobar were Muslims. The two women who crashed two airplanes last week were also Muslims. Bin Laden is a Muslim. The majority of those who manned the suicide bombings against buses, vehicles, schools, houses & buildings all over the world, were Muslims.

What a pathetic record. What an abominable “achievement”. Does all this tell us anything about ourselves, our societies & our culture? Let us start with putting an end to a history of denial. Let us acknowledge their reality, instead of denying them & seeking to justify them with sound & fury signifying nothing. We must cure ourselves.

Self-cure starts with self-realisation & confession. We should then run after our terrorist sons, the sour grapes of a deformed culture. Let us listen to Yusuf al-Qaradawl - the Qatar-based radical Egyptian cleric - & hear him recite his “fatwa” about the religious permissibility of killing civilian Americans in Iraq. Let us contemplate a Sheikh allowing, even calling for, the murder of civilians. An ailing Sheikh, in his last days, with two daughters studying in “infidel” Britain, soliciting children to kill civilians.

How can we believe him when he tells us Islam is a religion of mercy & peace while he is turning it into a religion of blood & slaughter? We can’t call those who take schoolchildren as hostages our own. We cannot tolerate in our midst those who abduct journalists, murder civilians, explode buses; we cannot accept them as related to us, whatever the sufferings they claim to justify their criminal deeds. These are the people who have smeared Islam & stained its image. We cannot clear our names unless we own up to the shameful fact that terrorism has become an Islamic enterprise - an almost exclusive monopoly, implemented by Muslim men & women. We cannot redeem our extremist youths, who commit these heinous crimes, without confronting the Sheikhs who thought it ennobling to send other people’s sons & daughters to certain death, while sending their own children to European & American schools & colleges.”

(This article previously appeared in the pan-Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat).